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	<title>Comments on: Luther and Ethics</title>
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		<title>By: Brian Hamilton</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 23:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>	&lt;p&gt;Hey, you commented! And quite helpfully too: I hadn&#8217;t noted this myself, but you&#8217;re right that the righteousness given us in faith is peculiarly social in character. Confession and penance still have a prominent place, it seems to me, but they are spoken of in different terms&#8212;not as righteousness but as part of the act of faith.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, you commented! And quite helpfully too: I hadn&#8217;t noted this myself, but you&#8217;re right that the righteousness given us in faith is peculiarly social in character. Confession and penance still have a prominent place, it seems to me, but they are spoken of in different terms&#8212;not as righteousness but as part of the act of faith.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://bdhamilton.com/articles/luther-and-ethics#comment-66</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>	&lt;p&gt;Hey&#8212;a conversation I can sort of follow&#8230;&lt;br /&gt;
Just for that, I&#8217;ll add my cent.&lt;/p&gt;

	&lt;p&gt;In History of Christianity class, it seemed that Luther was, in historical context, actually connecting ethical commitment to the Christian life in a way the Catholic church had not. Not making works salvific, but insinuating that they are the result of joy that transpires from salvation. &lt;/p&gt;

	&lt;p&gt;Not saying anything new, I know. But I think it&#8217;s cool that Luther disassociates &#8220;works&#8221; with works in the church (confessing, penance&#8230;) andd associates them with care for your neighbor. Because works are not for God&#8217;s benefit but for human benefit.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey&#8212;a conversation I can sort of follow&#8230;</p>
<p>Just for that, I&#8217;ll add my cent.</p>
<p>In History of Christianity class, it seemed that Luther was, in historical context, actually connecting ethical commitment to the Christian life in a way the Catholic church had not. Not making works salvific, but insinuating that they are the result of joy that transpires from salvation. </p>
<p>Not saying anything new, I know. But I think it&#8217;s cool that Luther disassociates &#8220;works&#8221; with works in the church (confessing, penance&#8230;) andd associates them with care for your neighbor. Because works are not for God&#8217;s benefit but for human benefit.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Hamilton</title>
		<link>http://bdhamilton.com/articles/luther-and-ethics#comment-65</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 12:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>	&lt;p&gt;Thanks, Jay&#8212;this is a helpful word as I&#8217;m trying to formulate my own thoughts here. I actually think Luther&#8217;s right to emphasize and preserve the utter gratuity of salvation, an alien righteousness given to us by God rather than anything achieved, so in this sense unaffected&#8212;positively or negatively&#8212;by what we do. I even think he&#8217;s right to &#8220;tear any ethical commitment from a definition of salvation,&#8221; insofar as we replace this with a kind of ethical &lt;em&gt;surrender&lt;/em&gt; (as I think Luther does): some &lt;em&gt;commitment&lt;/em&gt; to righteousness can only grow from godless arrogance, where confessing our insufficiency and clothing ourselves in the righteousness of God throws us back on the power of the Holy Spirit. This perhaps too deeply undercuts human agency, but the interrelationship of our own choices and our dependence on the Spirit has never been easy for Christians to articulate. What he needs to do, I think, is not to ethicize salvation but to recover the category of witness in ethical terms: the Spirit&#8217;s fruit in our lives is itself a testimony to the God of Jesus Christ.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Jay&#8212;this is a helpful word as I&#8217;m trying to formulate my own thoughts here. I actually think Luther&#8217;s right to emphasize and preserve the utter gratuity of salvation, an alien righteousness given to us by God rather than anything achieved, so in this sense unaffected&#8212;positively or negatively&#8212;by what we do. I even think he&#8217;s right to &#8220;tear any ethical commitment from a definition of salvation,&#8221; insofar as we replace this with a kind of ethical <em>surrender</em> (as I think Luther does): some <em>commitment</em> to righteousness can only grow from godless arrogance, where confessing our insufficiency and clothing ourselves in the righteousness of God throws us back on the power of the Holy Spirit. This perhaps too deeply undercuts human agency, but the interrelationship of our own choices and our dependence on the Spirit has never been easy for Christians to articulate. What he needs to do, I think, is not to ethicize salvation but to recover the category of witness in ethical terms: the Spirit&#8217;s fruit in our lives is itself a testimony to the God of Jesus Christ.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://bdhamilton.com/articles/luther-and-ethics#comment-64</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 10:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>	&lt;p&gt;We&#8217;re studying Luther right now as well.  His radical dualism between soul and body, inner &#8220;man&#8221; and outer &#8220;man&#8221;, the Christian sphere and the public sphere, is devastating.  His understanding of works completely tears any ethical commitment from a definition of salvation.  From what we read of him, he does try to give works importance by understanding it as that which sanctifies the body (in contrast to our souls that are sanctified by faith) and as acts of love to our neighbor (which gives it importance in sustaining the Chrisitan community).  However, at the end of the day, salvation is a status that is inaffected&#8212;positively or negatively&#8212;by what we do, which is something I cannot agree with.&lt;/p&gt;

	&lt;p&gt;There are times when he seems to make amazing claims and insights to the Christian life, but sadly his dualism often times restrict them.  I think that Luther is where mainstream evangelicalism, unwittingly, gets most of its theology.&lt;/p&gt;

	&lt;p&gt;I need to update my page, too. =/&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re studying Luther right now as well.  His radical dualism between soul and body, inner &#8220;man&#8221; and outer &#8220;man&#8221;, the Christian sphere and the public sphere, is devastating.  His understanding of works completely tears any ethical commitment from a definition of salvation.  From what we read of him, he does try to give works importance by understanding it as that which sanctifies the body (in contrast to our souls that are sanctified by faith) and as acts of love to our neighbor (which gives it importance in sustaining the Chrisitan community).  However, at the end of the day, salvation is a status that is inaffected&#8212;positively or negatively&#8212;by what we do, which is something I cannot agree with.</p>
<p>There are times when he seems to make amazing claims and insights to the Christian life, but sadly his dualism often times restrict them.  I think that Luther is where mainstream evangelicalism, unwittingly, gets most of its theology.</p>
<p>I need to update my page, too. =/</p>
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