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	<title>Comments on: The Bible, the Word of God</title>
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		<title>By: Spencer</title>
		<link>http://bdhamilton.com/articles/the-bible-the-word-of-god#comment-2655</link>
		<dc:creator>Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian, do you know much about how Barth understands the notion of the "Body of Christ"?  I'd be interested in more details, cause I sure as heck don't know anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, do you know much about how Barth understands the notion of the &#8220;Body of Christ&#8221;?  I&#8217;d be interested in more details, cause I sure as heck don&#8217;t know anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Hamilton</title>
		<link>http://bdhamilton.com/articles/the-bible-the-word-of-god#comment-2643</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 00:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that's right, though Barth's "particular people" in that quote aren't first of all the church in general but the writers of Scripture. Still, the oneness and uniqueness runs all the way through for Barth: the one Jesus Christ, the one testimony of and to Jesus Christ, the one people who are the body of Christ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that&#8217;s right, though Barth&#8217;s &#8220;particular people&#8221; in that quote aren&#8217;t first of all the church in general but the writers of Scripture. Still, the oneness and uniqueness runs all the way through for Barth: the one Jesus Christ, the one testimony of and to Jesus Christ, the one people who are the body of Christ.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Hamilton</title>
		<link>http://bdhamilton.com/articles/the-bible-the-word-of-god#comment-2642</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 00:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I understand Karl Barth's statement correctly, it is also a strong statement about what the visible church or congregation is or at least should be...
 "...And because not all, but only these particular people are the elected, called prophetic and apostolic witnesses to Jesus Christ, there are many hidden forms only this one visible form of the one Word of the one God..."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I understand Karl Barth&#8217;s statement correctly, it is also a strong statement about what the visible church or congregation is or at least should be&#8230;<br />
 &#8220;&#8230;And because not all, but only these particular people are the elected, called prophetic and apostolic witnesses to Jesus Christ, there are many hidden forms only this one visible form of the one Word of the one God&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Spencer</title>
		<link>http://bdhamilton.com/articles/the-bible-the-word-of-god#comment-2537</link>
		<dc:creator>Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, not for me, at least.  Largely because I have no idea what "post-Bultmannian" specifically refers to, nor its relationship to Vincent of Lerins.  In any case, though, the question at issue is Karl Barth's choice of analogy for the Scriptures, and I'm especially unsure of the meaning of "post-Bultmannian" when it is applied to Barth.  Maybe you can explain what you mean a little more?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, not for me, at least.  Largely because I have no idea what &#8220;post-Bultmannian&#8221; specifically refers to, nor its relationship to Vincent of Lerins.  In any case, though, the question at issue is Karl Barth&#8217;s choice of analogy for the Scriptures, and I&#8217;m especially unsure of the meaning of &#8220;post-Bultmannian&#8221; when it is applied to Barth.  Maybe you can explain what you mean a little more?</p>
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		<title>By: Blip Montgomery</title>
		<link>http://bdhamilton.com/articles/the-bible-the-word-of-god#comment-2535</link>
		<dc:creator>Blip Montgomery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 21:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>would't it be easier to say that Van Bathhalsazar is reacting to a post-Bultmanian understanding the Bible as opposed to one historically recognizable by the Vincentian canon?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>would&#8217;t it be easier to say that Van Bathhalsazar is reacting to a post-Bultmanian understanding the Bible as opposed to one historically recognizable by the Vincentian canon?</p>
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		<title>By: Spencer</title>
		<link>http://bdhamilton.com/articles/the-bible-the-word-of-god#comment-2533</link>
		<dc:creator>Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 18:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be interesting to compare how the choice of metaphor for understanding the Bible influences the thought of Barth and Origen.  

Barth conceives of the Bible as the Word of God, placing it between the Son above and with preaching below as three "forms" of the Word.  

Origen thinks of the Scripture in the continuum of the body of Christ: "The Logos becomes intelligible to us...in His historical, resurrected, and eucharisted body, in his ecclesiological body (whose members we are), and in His body as Sacred Scripture whose letters are animated by His living Spirit" (Origen in Classics of Western Spirituality, xii).  

The Church only comes into Barth's consideration in its form of preaching - its own self-critique? - as the lowest form of the Word.  For Origen - if the order of von Balthasar's list is to be trusted - the Church is closer to Christ as his body than the Scripture (although granted that the three form one sacramental whole).    

I am somewhat perplexed with how Scripture gets to be called the Word for Barth.  You paraphrase him by saying that it gets this title because it testifies to the reality.  But isn't this a kind of confusion of the finger and that to which it points that Barth so railed against?  It seems there is a missing step in the argument - it is not enough to note the Bible's testimony to the Word to justify approaching it as a form of that Word.  

For this reason I prefer the Balthasarian paraphrase of Origen.  The Church is the body of Christ because it is mystically grafted onto Christ by the Spirit.  The Scriptures are Christ's body because they are the Church's self-expression by the power of that same Spirit.  Self-expression not as an obsession with its own humanity, but self-expression as that which it truly is: humanity conjoined to God by God.  The canonical corpus is the self-expression of humanity incorporated into God's resurrected-because-crucified corpse.  Origen's scheme justifies a Christic appellation for Scripture in a way that Barth's does not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be interesting to compare how the choice of metaphor for understanding the Bible influences the thought of Barth and Origen.  </p>
<p>Barth conceives of the Bible as the Word of God, placing it between the Son above and with preaching below as three &#8220;forms&#8221; of the Word.  </p>
<p>Origen thinks of the Scripture in the continuum of the body of Christ: &#8220;The Logos becomes intelligible to us&#8230;in His historical, resurrected, and eucharisted body, in his ecclesiological body (whose members we are), and in His body as Sacred Scripture whose letters are animated by His living Spirit&#8221; (Origen in Classics of Western Spirituality, xii).  </p>
<p>The Church only comes into Barth&#8217;s consideration in its form of preaching &#8211; its own self-critique? &#8211; as the lowest form of the Word.  For Origen &#8211; if the order of von Balthasar&#8217;s list is to be trusted &#8211; the Church is closer to Christ as his body than the Scripture (although granted that the three form one sacramental whole).    </p>
<p>I am somewhat perplexed with how Scripture gets to be called the Word for Barth.  You paraphrase him by saying that it gets this title because it testifies to the reality.  But isn&#8217;t this a kind of confusion of the finger and that to which it points that Barth so railed against?  It seems there is a missing step in the argument &#8211; it is not enough to note the Bible&#8217;s testimony to the Word to justify approaching it as a form of that Word.  </p>
<p>For this reason I prefer the Balthasarian paraphrase of Origen.  The Church is the body of Christ because it is mystically grafted onto Christ by the Spirit.  The Scriptures are Christ&#8217;s body because they are the Church&#8217;s self-expression by the power of that same Spirit.  Self-expression not as an obsession with its own humanity, but self-expression as that which it truly is: humanity conjoined to God by God.  The canonical corpus is the self-expression of humanity incorporated into God&#8217;s resurrected-because-crucified corpse.  Origen&#8217;s scheme justifies a Christic appellation for Scripture in a way that Barth&#8217;s does not.</p>
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